Until we can come up with a better name, and so we can address the question, here.
All seven days of the week are named the same as ours, with the rare exception of a Pagan Shaman's use of "Moonsday" and "Cloudsday". In real life Monday is essentially Moon's Day, but we cannot be fully certain that Moonsday is Monday for a Pagan in Thief. Cloudsday remains a mystery, but Tuesday's a good guess.
No months are ever named.
Harvest is spoken of a few times, it's probably a summer event more than a fall event.
The word "Autumn" is never used, but the other names of the four seasons are.
The years are unknown, but the ledgers are as close as we can get to months and years. I like the idea that there's a typo in the Thieves' Guild ledger, Sxerks. And the number "34" is going to bug me as much as the number "842".
We hear about Ages, centuries, decades.... The end of T3 sees the beginning of the "third Dark Age" mentioned in SM3aboutgarrett and AULdiocenletters.
All the clocks and mentions of daily divisions of time are the same as ours, including the astrological charts, except the bizarre Clock Tower clock face. It's divided into eight, and uses symbols instead of numbers or astrology/astronomy symbols. It won't work as an astrolabe, either. The Hammers working in the Clock Tower write about time, thusly:
- CLKwinejournal excerpt:
- "Journal of Father Debole
- Any smith canst divide an ingot into twenty and four pieces of equal weight. Any forger canst split a rod into sixty shavings, set them to a bolt. 'Tis good work, but common. Only these brethren, in mine keeping, canst split a day into twenty and four pieces, canst split an hour into sixty shavings of equal time."
- CLKmemo excerpt:
- "Proper time for prayer mayst be taken at dawn, at noon, at eventide, and at night."
We see various phases of the moon. The full moon is called "Nene" by the Pagans, and is symbolised as the Woodsie Lord's jackal (an Anubis connection?). The new moon is called "Enen" by the Pagans, and is symbolised as the jackal's shadow.
During Masks we see a lunar eclipse. The moon is full and red. The harbinger moon, blood, rust, Metal Age colours, Woodsie Lord's jackal, etc., while Garrett steals masks and a cultivator. In Casing the Joint, there is no moon, so it has either not risen yet, has set already, or it's a new moon. If it's a new moon, then Garrett is the jackal's shadow. Okay, I'm making crap up, now.
There is the Summer Solstice Soirée and the Summersday Tourney.
- I don't believe there is enough material published to extrapolate much more real info than what you have already collected here. My discovery from last night, that the third month appears to have only 28 days () is the only thing I can think of. Larris 16:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- Yep. And this is the first time I've seen the dates on all the ledgers side by side to see the year --34, so thanks, taffers! Ehcmier 00:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)Ehcmier
- I'm not sure why you'd equate Harvest with a Summer festival - most comments about Harvest have it listed between summer and winter
- TOB Briefing
- Saws we them
- man o'moons faces,
- rounds o'glows brights
- in them summer night sky,
- saids them to us that
- winter comes earlies,
- summer is gone,
- and the harvest is fled.
- There are also a number of mentions of the Trickster as Harvester - interesting - could be connection to Celtic/Druidic mythologies, and Samhain/Cernunnos.
- Just some thoughts, out there.
Solabusca 23:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- I wasn't really equating them, but the last three lines of that poem are how I came to a supposition. Maybe the Fall was so cold the Harvest was ruined? Ehcmier 23:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)Ehcmier
- Pretty much what I get from it is just that - that summer moved to winter too soon, and the Fall/Harvest wasn't a good one. (Or isn't going to be a good one, if it's one of those 'farmer wisdom' type quotes.Solabusca 01:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Sum up and updatesEdit
I do need some help with the souces (coversations, text etc).
- Pagan curses Into the Pagan_Sanctuary: In-game text#PAGcurses
- Harvest notice Trail of Blood:_In-game text#M10B02
- Lily's homework Trail of Blood: In-game text#M10B04
- Ape 1/2 sound folders T2_Sound_Folder:_Ape1/T2_Sound_Folder:_Ape2
- Semi-moon TDS Sound Folder: pagan2 p2_idle8; T2 CS10 (3 moons)
- T2 b10 summer, winter and harvest
- Spring - Viktoria's maw
- Summer - Viktoria's maw, Trail of blood intro
- Fall/Autumn - 'Fall' and harvest is mentioned in the harvest notice, above; Viktoria's maw
- Winter - Viktoria's maw, nobody guardsies! Trail of blood intro
Harvest - Summer/fall, Trail of blood intro; mentions that "winter comes earlies, summer is gone, and the harvest is fled."
Conclusion - Fall/autumn and harvest is the same/smilar
- Full moon - Nene
- Half-moon - Semi-moons (If it be the semi-moons, then planters [mes] them... ...and reapers them on the season's endings...)
- New moon - Enen
No months are mentioned, though the curses note says that the curse will take a 'moon' for the victim to die. Viktoria mentions watching the mechanists for 3 moons
(I cannot find anything regarding moon/couldsday)
- Moonsday (source?) - Monday?
- Cloudsday (source?) - Speculatively tuesday
- Baffords ledger Lord Bafford's Manor: In-game text#M2LEDGE
- Unused accumulated pay in Thieves Guild Thieves' Guild: In-game text#M15accpay (et al for ledger 1, 2, and 3). The TG text has a year of 3/34, 4/33, 5/34; 4/33 probably being a typo, unless it was transcribed wrong. Bafford's ledger has that month as year 34.
- Cobbleton diary Into the Pagan Sanctuary: In-game text#PAGcobbleton has weekdays.
- Gervasious summer notes Casing_the_Joint:_In-game_text#M12B11, Casing_the_Joint:_In-game_text#M12B12, Casing_the_Joint:_In-game_text#M12B13.
- Hammerite memo: Killing_Time: In-game text#CLKmemo
- Debole's pathetic excuses Killing Time: In-game text#CLKwinejournal
- Hauknors journal Old_Quarter:_In-game_text#OQhauknorjounal.
The dominance of the hammers on society means that the people would follow the same/similar time.
If the pagans have four seasons, it is not a long shot to say the common people would have the same system.
- Spring -
- Summer - Gervasious has a summerhouse, summer wine, Summer Solstice Soiree, summersday tourney (End_of_the_Bloodline:_In-game_text#CASevilnote3)
- Fall/autumn -
- Winter -
- Month #3 Bafford: 24 days. Guild: 34 days
- Month #4 Bafford: 3 & 10 days (likely weekly ledger). Guild: 33.
- Month #5 Guild: 34 days
conclusion? The thief universe has a wider lunar cycle than ours. There is a problem, however. The ledger shows, as above, each month having 34/33/34 days respectively. Are those the actual days of the month the ledger goes up to, or is it a mistype from the writer (real world or in-game); mistranscription of the game text? It would likely be an error as the months and years would line up with baffords ledger. A concrete answer will be needed.
Monday, Thursday and Saturday are mentioned in the Cobbleton diary.
Tuesday and Wednesday in Hauknor's journal.
- Day= 24 hours
- Minute/hour= 60 seconds/minutes
- They also recognize dawn, noon, evening and (mid)night
Is there any picture of this clock that was mentioned? Big McLargeHuge 01:23, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not so sure myself. Big McLargeHuge 02:19, February 3, 2011 (UTC)